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Poster: robthewordsmith Date: Mar 27, 2010 1:15pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Custom Colors? (non-dead)

I'm going to take issue with you here, Monte. The fact is that this place is set up as a library - not a place for you to strut your coding mojo, however good you are at it or however proud of your skills you might be. This is an archive, not a shopfront for you to peddle your wares. That they offer the means and the opportunity at all for you to display your creativity and individualism is something you should be grateful for - not snipe petulantly because the buttons aren't exactly where you want them to be.

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Poster: dead-head_Monte Date: Mar 27, 2010 2:05pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Custom Colors? (non-dead)

It's an Archive. They are hugely appealing to us for some help. stealyourwife's name is John C. Wyeth. This guy is a musician and artist. I am helping him with his new item here

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Poster: robthewordsmith Date: Mar 27, 2010 2:27pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Custom Colors? (non-dead)

It's very laudable that you're helping him out, but of what possible relevance is it for you to tell me who stealyourwife is?

As far as Brewster's request for spicing up the list of artists with logos, good, bad and indifferent, goes, in my opinion it's misjudged. Having to scroll through endless unnecessary and uninformative images to get to what you really want is a total waste of time. It's something that many web designers, besotted as they are with the ability to add a few more lights to the Christmas tree, fail to grasp. You're drowning functionality beneath waves of irrelevant gloss and glitter.

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Poster: stealyourwife Date: Mar 27, 2010 2:38pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Custom Colors? (non-dead)

Don't you get it??? I'm John C. Wyeth!!! nuff said!

heheheh

i be quiet now

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Poster: robthewordsmith Date: Mar 27, 2010 2:49pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Custom Colors? (non-dead)

Yeah I got it, JC - just didn't see how it related to my point. Still, irrelevancy is the lifeblood of this place. Anyway, you know I'm going to google you now. I'll try not to tickle too much...

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Poster: stealyourwife Date: Mar 27, 2010 2:57pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Custom Colors? (non-dead)

lol, i was being fesecious...i know my name is irrelevant thats why its funny imo

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Poster: dead-head_Monte Date: Mar 28, 2010 8:41am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Custom Colors? (non-dead)

Rob, it is not laudable that I'm helping this guy. It's laughable. I went on a useless fishing expedition. But, often for me that's how I learn stuff, by making mistakes, and learning how to do stuff correctly. I'm just looking for work. You know I'm not peddling anything.

I duped myself. And I made a mistake. I can live with it. It's nothing.

Wyeth that happened to me? I dunno.

My mistake was huge. The Archive's customizing page says the skin customizer sets your Archive-dot-org cookie. That's all it does. I missed that. My bad.

So.... Wyeth didn't you, John, C the note there, and read it 1st? Don't you know what a Cookie is?

NOTE: you will need to allow archive.org to set a cookie.

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Poster: William Tell Date: Mar 28, 2010 3:09pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Custom Colors? (non-dead)

Not sure if I have followed what happened in this thread correctly, but I know what I think you mean, DHM, that when pursuing info for someone, you often learn a lot, even if the original question (or in the case below, was something altogether different--a game? a mistake? who knows? ducats?) ends up being something other than originally stated:

http://www.archive.org/iathreads/post-view.php?id=84567

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Poster: robthewordsmith Date: Mar 28, 2010 3:33pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Custom Colors? (non-dead)

As a protagonist in the above I stand by my position that it's wrong to expect the Archive to provide every possible creature comfort for any itinerant HTML savvy geek who happens across the threshold. Tantamount to me sauntering into the public library and demanding full dtp facilities so I could restock the shelves on the spot.

That said, SYW is a mischievous little monkey is he not?

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Poster: William Tell Date: Mar 28, 2010 3:57pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Custom Colors? (non-dead)

"I know nothing!"...seriously, but picking up on threads of this thread I was reminded of our own ducats leading me on a wild goose chase that in the end, did lead me toward finding out interesting factoids and the like...so, I was only commisserating with DHM if in fact he'd be doing something only to find out it'd been some sort of game (not sayin...dunno) BUT that he enjoyed himself nonetheless...that's all I can contribute...

At the time, I wanted to strangle little ducats (I always think of him as smaller than me...and at 6'3", 230lbs, I figured it's a good guess any time, right? Of course, lots of that 230 is pretty soft these days...). But in the end, we kissed and made up.

Not sure ANY of this is relevant to points you've made above, Rob, which seem perfectly reasonable to me; I may be off on one of my tangents...you know, just accumulating posts afterall.

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Poster: dead-head_Monte Date: Mar 29, 2010 1:56pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Custom Colors? (non-dead)

That I criticize IA here openly - with such enthusiasm and raw courage, only testifies further to the fact that I invite robust debate, and I respect The Archive hugely. Why would I waste my time speaking up? Creativity is vital here, and everywhere. The Archive has given me and others more creative privileges here than anywhere else on the internet. And I have said so many times. Old Tapers don't die, we just Not Fade Away. Rob, don't attempt to censor things, please. I was thinking this was a good way to say, I thought your point was pointless. Please don't attack people here. I didn't attack anybody. When I help someone, I feel we both learn.

To me, NoiseCollector will always rank high as an influential and creative user here on The Archive, early on. I learned a fair amount just by noticing his "mojo." I disagreed with most of his politics, and visa-versa. But that debate ended way back. It happened mostly during the run-up to the 2008 elections.

Thanks for taking a look, Mr. Tell. Both you and Rob know I respect people here. It's not like I'm saying how proud I am when I make an ass out of myself. When I first saw it, I thought the skin feature was a designer's Admin privilege. It's hilarious how stupid I was. Why can't we all just laugh out loud and say so? The skin feature is a Client privilege. All you do is tweak some codes and upload them to IA. Next time you visit IA and login, your Cookie is reset. Then you'll get your new CSS codes coming just to you. That's how your color changes are coming to your Browser from IA. That's what it says. I never saw that before. I think I've explained it. I'm not gonna waste my time on this. Peace.

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Poster: robthewordsmith Date: Mar 29, 2010 2:36pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Custom Colors? (non-dead)

Monte – first off, as a matter of courtesy, if you have issue with something I said please respond to me directly to ensure I see it and can return the courtesy of offering you a reply.

That you have the nerve to describe your whinging about the lack of opportunity for you to show off your web design skills here as ‘enthusiasm and raw courage’ (honestly what’s courageous about attacking a largely volunteer body?) inviting ‘robust debate’ while my contrary position is an ‘attempt to censor things’ is quite frankly breathtaking in its arrogance and hypocrisy. If anyone is inviting debate it’s me – you haven’t answered any of the points I made regarding design versus information transparency. You speak up because you admire the Archive hugely? No. You’re making a noise about the fact that things aren’t as you would want them to be.

You might find this hard to grasp, but I don’t attack people, I attack what they say. And I think what you say in this instance is nonsense. So come on, give me that robust debate you say you want. And leave the stealyourwife red herring out of the stewpot please.

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Poster: dead-head_Monte Date: Mar 29, 2010 3:03pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Custom Colors? (non-dead)

You win any debate with me about this stuff Rob. I'm conceding. You don't like me messing around. Happy Anniversary. Fine. That's clear, and so is this: I'm busy maintaining myself and developing my skillsets. I have bills to pay, and I need to look for side work. Please sir, for the 2nd time, peace. And good day.

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Poster: robthewordsmith Date: Mar 29, 2010 3:19pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Custom Colors? (non-dead)

Well so much for robust debate.

I'd refer you to the exchange twixt myself and elbow that you handily linked for an indication of how these things may be carried off with humour and aplomb. I do wish you'd felt secure enough to address the issue of over-designing obscuring functionality that I was trying to raise with you. However, as you suggest, we all have other fish to fry.

Goodnight, and good luck.

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Poster: dead-head_Monte Date: Mar 29, 2010 4:08pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Custom Colors? (non-dead)

Thanks, Rob. We have a great Forum here. You don't suppose, do you, the issue of over-designing obscuring functionality would make an interesting GD musical debate? Could you start the discussion with He Live's, Cliff, LiA, and you WT? I'll go el-natural, and provide the tech-support fill-ins where I can.

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Poster: robthewordsmith Date: Mar 29, 2010 4:44pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Custom Colors? (non-dead)

Don't make the mistake of trying to patronise me. If this forum can handle baseball debates it can certainly absorb a discussion about design and functionality.

If you're unwilling or unable to address the points raised then please say so and don't try to hide behind a smokescreen. I would still like to know how you think I'm attempting to censor anything. And I'd love to see some evidence of your 'robust debating' skills, which seem very lacking right now.

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Poster: dead-head_Monte Date: Mar 29, 2010 5:07pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Custom Colors? (non-dead)

I am tech-support, not debater. I enjoy opening people's minds.

Why do British people say, shed - ule, and Americans say, schedule? Yet, British people pronounce school same way as Americans -- skool. Why don't British people pronounce it shool? I was always confused about that.

I worked for a year in the Persian Gulf in 1994 as a tech-support engineer. I was also a creative development technical specialist there. I met a senior British petrol engineer, living there over 15 years. He said to me, The weather in England is rotten. I like the desert weather in Qatar much better. That's why I live here. Go figure that one. I never ever heard Americans there saying stuff like that. We were all praying to go home. Colorado weather offers wonderful and varying climate conditions.

It's not a torch anymore. It's a flashlight. Or just a light.

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Poster: robthewordsmith Date: Mar 29, 2010 11:44pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Custom Colors? (non-dead)

Wow. That was just breathtakingly irrelevant.

"That I criticize IA here openly - with such enthusiasm and raw courage, only testifies further to the fact that I invite robust debate"

"I am tech-support, not debater"

So which is it? You want it or you don't want it?

"Why do British people say, shed - ule, and Americans say, schedule? Yet, British people pronounce school same way as Americans -- skool. Why don't British people pronounce it shool? I was always confused about that."

If you're going to ask questions you might at least try to listen to the replies. I fielded that one for you last August.

http://www.archive.org/iathreads/post-view.php?id=260974


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Poster: dead-head_Monte Date: Mar 30, 2010 8:43am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Custom Colors? (non-dead)

Like I said Rob, you win. I think we're both pretty capable of having a good conversation. I'm not up for a flame war. Both of us are making some points, and both of us are side-stepping some points.

You wanna beat me up and attack me. I don't wanna fight with you. That you keep going for my throat, and I keep making wise-cracks, well... it's going nowhere. You hate my guts. I'm not going there in any discussion. I got it.

With all due respect, the point I made about the issue of over-designing obscuring functionality would make an interesting GD musical debate? That was my best effort, as you kept asking me. It's a good point. WOS was too expensive to run? Space jams getting senseless? Meanings of their lyrics? Be a man, and stop dodging your own point!

What if Bear, what if Jerry, what if Hunter, had bullies jumping on them everytime they were being creative? Would the band have went nowhere due to this? That's the thread I suggest you should start anew.

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Poster: robthewordsmith Date: Mar 30, 2010 9:12am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Custom Colors? (non-dead)

ok, Monte. I'd just like to make a couple of points - they may surprise you.

First, I don't hate your guts, never have. I might not agree with some of the things you say but that's as far as it goes.

Second is an apology. Looking back, I totally misread and misjudged the suggestion you were making that over-design obscuring functionality would make an interesting GD musical debate and I responded inappropriately. The only excuse I can offer is that it was gone midnight here, I was dog-tired, and if I had had any sense I'd have stopped posting long before. So, I apologise.

Anyway, I'm a words guy and you're a sound and pictures guy - I guess that's our basic difference. If you want to exchange views off forum I'm up for it. I'm guessing other people will have had enough of us greyhairs knocking heads here.

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Poster: dead-head_Monte Date: Mar 30, 2010 9:57am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Custom Colors? (non-dead)

Thank you for your acts of kindness, Rob. For sure, there's scores of posts I've made here that are pictorial essays. And I've tried to positively encourage others, as have most of us here on this Forum, including you.

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Poster: William Tell Date: Mar 29, 2010 2:09pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Custom Colors? (non-dead)

I had the same exact early negative, later positive interactions with NC, who by now, is a proud father...I think? Congrats to him...and the little Noise Collector.

I fig'd you were trying to help out someone, but in the end, it was confused by whether it was a serious question or not, and your own efforts (confusing or not as you say), to sort it out...just as I did with ducats in the thread so long ago I linked above.

But, you know our Rob; he'll be quick to voice opinion on something that strikes him the wrong way, and I wouldn't want it any other way...personally. I wouldn't suggest that we don't criticize one another as I feel we now know one another well enough for such things to pass between us with only a bit of difficulty...

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Poster: robthewordsmith Date: Mar 28, 2010 4:07pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Custom Colors? (non-dead)

I love heading off on tangents with you, Tell. No one takes a line from the curve better than you do, my friend!